[libre-riscv-dev] Tedious systemd bunfight.

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 03:08:31PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Hendrik Boom <hendrik at topoi.pooq.com> wrote:
> 
> > Devuan has limited manpower.  They figure that Debian is already doing enough
> > for systemd and they should focus on other init system(s).
> 
> no, i've spoken to the team on IRC: the lead developer is *absolutely*
> against systemd.

As are many of the users of Devuan.  And it's understandable when introducing systemd 
into a stable system breaks it and forces major, expensive changes.

You pretty well have to be this extreme to start and persevere with such
an extensive project as Devuan.

But it's not necessary to be this extreme to use Devuan.  Or to develop it.
It's OK to let those who prefer to use systemd to be free to do so.
But it would be a waste of effort to support systemd in Devuan.

> the lead developer is a radical feminist and is also
> against "men in general" (i.e. is "against men" rather than "for
> collaboration and to work out and accept and appreciate the
> differences between men and women").

The redical feminism is interesting.  But off topic.

> 
> this approach makes it completely impossible to consider merging
> devuan into debian, because the changes that have been made are so
> radical and diametric that it is impossible to include any of the
> devuan packages into debian without a fundamental rewrite.

Most devuan packages are in fact just the debian packages.

The rest have had to be changed to work properly in the absence of systemd
because they were originally changed by Debian to work with systemd.

The devuan/debian package manager does not seem to have any mechanism
for choosing which package to install depending on which init system is used.

Most init systems are quite compatible with each other in this respect.
Systemd isn't.

I would have preferred if systemd had remained just an init system and hadn't
invasively caused the schism we see today.

But we live in the world we have, not the world we'd like to see.

-- hendrik