[libre-riscv-dev] development workflow

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:49:11PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:18 PM Hendrik Boom <hendrik at topoi.pooq.com> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't heard of angband.pl's "nosystemd" packages.
> 
>  maintained by kilobyte, he created a recompilation of debian packages
> with "--without-systemd" added to the debian/rules configuration
> options.
> 
> > I use devuan instead.  It's debian that someone else has gone to the
> > trouble of removing systemd.
> 
>  yeahh, unfortunately that brings its own problems if you're running
> normally on debian/testing and occasionally need debian/unstable
> packages.

devuan has unstable: devuan/ceres.

Though I'm not sure how identical it is.

> 
>  plus, devuan's mission is "to be inclusive to *all* init systems"...
> so why is systemd excluded??  there's a cognitive dissonance there
> that i can't accept.

They don't have the resources to do it all.

Systemd forces enough change that they would have to support multiple 
versions of packages for with and without systemd.  I don't think the 
package managers has enough generality to sort this out in dependency 
management.

And the official stance seems to be that Debian is already doing the 
job of providing systemd -- which it certainly is.  Devuan therefore 
provides choice by catering to those that do not want systemd, thereby 
providing choice.

-- hendrik